Which blog app for Django-CMS?

[Michael Hipp]

I've sorta asked this question before and was pointed toward django-yaba
[1]. I was all set yesterday to download and implement it when I noticed
that the author is no longer using yaba [2]. And I noticed that yaba has
had no changes for almost 3 months [3], so signs are it's a dormant project.

Can anyone recommend a blog app for Django-CMS? Something easy to
integrate, both technically and aesthetically, with Django-CMS would be
a bonus.

Thanks,
Michael


[1]
http://groups.google.com/group/django-cms/browse_thread/thread/b06f45067ae55d6d
[2] http://www.f4ntasmic.com/2010/01/more-changes.html
[3] http://github.com/f4nt/django-yaba

[Gour]

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:38:00 -0600
Michael> Can anyone recommend a blog app for Django-CMS? Something easy
Michael> to integrate, both technically and aesthetically, with
Michael> Django-CMS would be a bonus.

Mingus is becoming nice blog, but it's standalone and I don't have
idea if it's possible to integrate it easily with django-cms.


Sincerely,
Gour

p.s. I played with yaba, but it looks that I moved away on time. :-)

[fink]

Perhaps we should just ask the maintainer:
f4nt, are you dropping all development for yaba?

Also, perhaps it's time for a community developed blog app specifically for django-cms? (with apphook, nav extenders, plugins, multilang, etc.)

I'd be willing to help with this. Anyone interested? Depending on f4nt's plans, maybe we can fork his work as a starting point?

[Michael Hipp]

Post by fink
f4nt, are you dropping all development for yaba?
Also, perhaps it's time for a community developed blog app specifically for django-cms? (with apphook, nav extenders, plugins, multilang, etc.)
I'd be willing to help with this. Anyone interested? Depending on f4nt's plans, maybe we can fork his work as a starting point?

I believe having a batteries-included blog app would be a terrific
selling point for Django-CMS.

Starting with yaba seems to make sense, especially if it means a
decision to use yaba in the meantime wouldn't turn into a dead end.

FWIW, count me in.

Michael

[Patrick Toal]

I haven't looked at this yet, but since it is going to be integrated into the Pinax project it is interesting to me:

http://github.com/eldarion/biblion

Since blogs are a phase II deliverable for my project, I'm not going to be able to contribute at the moment, but I thought I'd make people aware of it.

-PT
---
Patrick Toal

Post by fink
f4nt, are you dropping all development for yaba?
Also, perhaps it's time for a community developed blog app specifically for django-cms? (with apphook, nav extenders, plugins, multilang, etc.)
I'd be willing to help with this. Anyone interested? Depending on f4nt's plans, maybe we can fork his work as a starting point?

I believe having a batteries-included blog app would be a terrific selling point for Django-CMS.
Starting with yaba seems to make sense, especially if it means a decision to use yaba in the meantime wouldn't turn into a dead end.
FWIW, count me in.
Michael
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[manuel]

+1 we recently had the same Question here. We decided to write our
own, but did not start yet.

So a django-cms aware blog with bells and whistles would be great. I
would be willing to help too.

cheers

Post by fink
f4nt, are you dropping all development for yaba?
Also, perhaps it's time for a community developed blog app specifically for django-cms? (with apphook, nav extenders, plugins, multilang, etc.)
I'd be willing to help with this. Anyone interested? Depending on f4nt's plans, maybe we can fork his work as a starting point?

[jag]

After discussing with fink and yml in IRC, I've started a scratchpad
wiki page for bouncing ideas around.

http://wiki.github.com/digi604/django-cms-2.0/content-container-scratchpad

Post by fink
f4nt, are you dropping all development for yaba?
Also, perhaps it's time for a community developed blog app specifically for django-cms? (with apphook, nav extenders, plugins, multilang, etc.)
I'd be willing to help with this. Anyone interested? Depending on f4nt's plans, maybe we can fork his work as a starting point?

[Kevin]

Post by Michael Hipp
I've sorta asked this question before and was pointed toward django-yaba
[1]. I was all set yesterday to download and implement it when I noticed
that the author is no longer using yaba [2]. And I noticed that yaba has
had no changes for almost 3 months [3], so signs are it's a dormant project.

Upon reading the links:

[1] I also was pointed to django-yaba, and I have found it pretty
good.
[2] The author is no longer using it because he decided to give up his
linode, and use blogger instead.
[3] Code is on github, so we can fork away and use. If it works, and
django is still @ 1.1.1, then what changes needed to be made?

[f4nt]

Hey all,

I'm the "maintainer" of YaBa, and I'm glad to see some people
interested in it. So a bit of information/answers in regards to YaBa
and the concerns Michael had at the top of the thread.

1. I did stop using YaBa. I wasn't blogging much, and burning $20 a
month on a Linode seemed silly for a VM I wasn't really using.
2. YaBa has been change free for so long because it was built fairly
specifically for *my* needs. I don't mean that in an offstandish way,
that's just how it panned out. I needed a blog application and had
been playing with Django for a few months. I realized there wasn't a
really good blog application at the time (Mingus was just getting
started), so I started crafting exactly what I needed. So, for the
past few months I hadn't needed anything new or different.
3. It is a (mostly) dormant project. I am however more than happy to
accept patches/pull requests and merge them into the master.

All that aside though, I don't think YaBa is necessarily the best blog
for the job. Then again it all depends on what people needed. When I
integrated YaBa into our django-cms project (http://
www.chicagodjango.com), I ended up hiding a large chunk of features
(github, twitter, etc). After that it became a really basic blog
application. I think in some ways you might be better off using django-
basic-apps (http://github.com/nathanborror/django-basic-apps). There's
a blog in there that's pretty basic, and can be extended easily (it's
the basis of Mingus iirc).

I'm happy with whatever anyone chooses, but I do know that YaBa needs
some polish and fixing up before it can sensibly be made as the de
facto standard for blog apps in regards to django-cms. Since it's my
oldest and my first real project with Django, it's a real eye sore to
me though. I've learned a lot since I wrote it, and as a result the
code looks pretty gross in my eyes :)

Anyways, if you have any questions or anything feel free to lemme
know.

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
I've sorta asked this question before and was pointed toward django-yaba
[1]. I was all set yesterday to download and implement it when I noticed
that the author is no longer using yaba [2]. And I noticed that yaba has
had no changes for almost 3 months [3], so signs are it's a dormant project.

[1] I also was pointed to django-yaba, and I have found it pretty
good.
[2] The author is no longer using it because he decided to give up his
linode, and use blogger instead.
[3] Code is on github, so we can fork away and use.  If it works, and

[Michael Hipp]

f4nt, thanks for sharing your plans and perspectives.

Does anyone have any more thoughts on which blog app is best for DjangoCMS?

Appears there are several choices:
- django-yaba
- Mingus
- django-basic-apps
- biblion

I really need to implement a blog, but would like to stay on a course
parallel with django-cms. So I'm still hoping for a semi-authoritative
answer to bubble up.

Thanks,
Michael

Post by f4nt
Hey all,
I'm the "maintainer" of YaBa, and I'm glad to see some people
interested in it. So a bit of information/answers in regards to YaBa
and the concerns Michael had at the top of the thread.
1. I did stop using YaBa. I wasn't blogging much, and burning $20 a
month on a Linode seemed silly for a VM I wasn't really using.
2. YaBa has been change free for so long because it was built fairly
specifically for *my* needs. I don't mean that in an offstandish way,
that's just how it panned out. I needed a blog application and had
been playing with Django for a few months. I realized there wasn't a
really good blog application at the time (Mingus was just getting
started), so I started crafting exactly what I needed. So, for the
past few months I hadn't needed anything new or different.
3. It is a (mostly) dormant project. I am however more than happy to
accept patches/pull requests and merge them into the master.
All that aside though, I don't think YaBa is necessarily the best blog
for the job. Then again it all depends on what people needed. When I
integrated YaBa into our django-cms project (http://
www.chicagodjango.com), I ended up hiding a large chunk of features
(github, twitter, etc). After that it became a really basic blog
application. I think in some ways you might be better off using django-
basic-apps (http://github.com/nathanborror/django-basic-apps). There's
a blog in there that's pretty basic, and can be extended easily (it's
the basis of Mingus iirc).
I'm happy with whatever anyone chooses, but I do know that YaBa needs
some polish and fixing up before it can sensibly be made as the de
facto standard for blog apps in regards to django-cms. Since it's my
oldest and my first real project with Django, it's a real eye sore to
me though. I've learned a lot since I wrote it, and as a result the
code looks pretty gross in my eyes :)
Anyways, if you have any questions or anything feel free to lemme
know.

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
I've sorta asked this question before and was pointed toward django-yaba
[1]. I was all set yesterday to download and implement it when I noticed
that the author is no longer using yaba [2]. And I noticed that yaba has
had no changes for almost 3 months [3], so signs are it's a dormant project.

[1] I also was pointed to django-yaba, and I have found it pretty
good.
[2] The author is no longer using it because he decided to give up his
linode, and use blogger instead.
[3] Code is on github, so we can fork away and use. If it works, and

[fink]

we spoke with f4nt yesterday about this on irc. to summarize:

- for various reasons, f4nt thinks we should investigate django-basic-apps before deciding on yaba
- instead of 'django cms blog app', think 'django cms blog plugin'
- external to django-cms, can integrate nicely with django-cms base plugins & functionality
- perhaps a 'bridge plugin' to django-basic-apps? i did this with photologue, it actually wasn't that hard

imho, necessary features are:
- apphook
- nav extenders
- page plugins
- multilang

what do you guys think?

Subject: Re: Which blog app for Django-CMS?
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 7:54 PM
f4nt, thanks for sharing your plans
and perspectives.
Does anyone have any more thoughts on which blog app is
best for DjangoCMS?
  - django-yaba
  - Mingus
  - django-basic-apps
  - biblion
I really need to implement a blog, but would like to stay
on a course
parallel with django-cms. So I'm still hoping for a
semi-authoritative
answer to bubble up.
Thanks,
Michael

Post by f4nt
Hey all,
I'm the "maintainer" of YaBa, and I'm glad to see some

people

Post by f4nt
interested in it. So a bit of information/answers in

regards to YaBa

Post by f4nt
and the concerns Michael had at the top of the

thread.

Post by f4nt
1. I did stop using YaBa. I wasn't blogging much, and

burning $20 a

Post by f4nt
month on a Linode seemed silly for a VM I wasn't

really using.

Post by f4nt
2. YaBa has been change free for so long because it

was built fairly

Post by f4nt
specifically for *my* needs. I don't mean that in an

offstandish way,

Post by f4nt
that's just how it panned out. I needed a blog

application and had

Post by f4nt
been playing with Django for a few months. I realized

there wasn't a

Post by f4nt
really good blog application at the time (Mingus was

just getting

Post by f4nt
started), so I started crafting exactly what I needed.

So, for the

Post by f4nt
past few months I hadn't needed anything new or

different.

Post by f4nt
3. It is a (mostly) dormant project. I am however more

than happy to

Post by f4nt
accept patches/pull requests and merge them into the

master.

Post by f4nt
All that aside though, I don't think YaBa is

necessarily the best blog

Post by f4nt
for the job. Then again it all depends on what people

needed. When I

Post by f4nt
integrated YaBa into our django-cms project (http://
www.chicagodjango.com), I ended up hiding a large

chunk of features

Post by f4nt
(github, twitter, etc). After that it became a really

basic blog

Post by f4nt
application. I think in some ways you might be better

off using django-

Post by f4nt
basic-apps (http://github.com/nathanborror/django-basic-apps).

There's

Post by f4nt
a blog in there that's pretty basic, and can be

extended easily (it's

Post by f4nt
the basis of Mingus iirc).
I'm happy with whatever anyone chooses, but I do know

that YaBa needs

Post by f4nt
some polish and fixing up before it can sensibly be

made as the de

Post by f4nt
facto standard for blog apps in regards to django-cms.

Since it's my

Post by f4nt
oldest and my first real project with Django, it's a

real eye sore to

Post by f4nt
me though. I've learned a lot since I wrote it, and as

a result the

Post by f4nt
code looks pretty gross in my eyes :)
Anyways, if you have any questions or anything feel

free to lemme

Post by f4nt
know.

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
I've sorta asked this question before and was

pointed toward django-yaba

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
[1]. I was all set yesterday to download and

implement it when I noticed

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
that the author is no longer using yaba [2].

And I noticed that yaba has

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin

Post by Michael Hipp
had no changes for almost 3 months [3], so

signs are it's a dormant project.

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin
[1] I also was pointed to django-yaba, and I have

found it pretty

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin
good.
[2] The author is no longer using it because he

decided to give up his

Post by f4nt

Post by Kevin
linode, and use blogger instead.
[3] Code is on github, so we can fork away and

use.  If it works, and
to be made?
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[Michael Hipp]

Post by fink
- for various reasons, f4nt thinks we should investigate django-basic-apps before deciding on yaba
- instead of 'django cms blog app', think 'django cms blog plugin'
- external to django-cms, can integrate nicely with django-cms base plugins& functionality
- perhaps a 'bridge plugin' to django-basic-apps? i did this with photologue, it actually wasn't that hard

My only concern would be that the blog included in django-basic-apps is
marketed as being very, well, "basic" [1]. Whereas yaba and biblion
seemed to be more feature rich. (Not sure about Mingus.) Anyways, I
wouldn't want django-cms to get stuck being perceived as a "lowest
common denominator" featureset.

Doing it as a plugin seems like a great idea. Second best would be some
great documentation and example code for integrating it in as-is.

Michael

[1] http://nathanborror.com/posts/2007/dec/02/django-basic-apps/

[Kevin]

Post by Michael Hipp
My only concern would be that the blog included in django-basic-apps is
marketed as being very, well, "basic" [1].

I was put off by that also. However, Nate has updated the apps
recently, and Kevin from django-mingus has forked the basic apps also,
so they are current.

As for the 'basic' label:

I think we want something simple that works out of the box, in a
'basic' fashion. We don't need to include it, or bundle it. We don't
need the newest hotness, since that will depend very much on who is
using the cms for what.

All we need is , well, 'basic' functionality, for a blog.

Here is a more updated fork of basic apps:
http://github.com/montylounge/django-basic-apps

[Michael Hipp]

Post by Kevin
http://github.com/montylounge/django-basic-apps

I'm going to download and try to implement this. I'll keep some notes on
the process.

Michael